Comments on: The Nextology of Michael Jordan: Part VIII – Kobe Bryant http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/ NBA Basketball News, Rumors, Videos Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:22:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Iriani2 http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-28025 Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:23:00 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-28025 In reply to Kevin.

Lebron James will NEVER be the player Kobe or Michael Jordan will EVER be ok? Im an NBA expert and LJ is a great player dont get me wrong, but he is the biggest CHOKER of all time. If LeBrons team is down by 1 point and he is shooting free-throws to tie it up or take the lead I guarentee you that he will miss both. Kobe would never ever miss those 2 shots, it wouldnt matter, if the world was collaspsing, Kobe would still make both shots.
Thank You
NBA Expert
Alex Hall

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By: Filip Lizanna http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-26957 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 22:42:00 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-26957 will this ever be updated? 

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By: Kevin http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-23620 Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:50:42 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-23620 Interesting posts and comments,well here is my assessment regarding the comparison of Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant first…….to attack Kobe as being “quote”selfish and seeking glory for himself just shows how uniformed some people are on Michael Jordan before his championship days…..I of course was a huge fan of MJ like everyone else but,I have almost every game on VHS that Michael Jordan ever played when he was with the Bulls, and going back over those tapes guess who was the “BIGGEST BALLHOG” in the league at that time???? You guessed it Mr. Michael Jordan, some of you must’ve forgot,MJ wouldnt pas that ball to anyone…. and everyone,his teammates,coaches,fans,and even other teams talked about it and complained about it all the time and why was that?

It was because he didnt trust his teammates!!!!! Kobe didnt pass the ball for the same reasons and judging by the way that some of his teammates in previous and current years have played…….I would have done the same thing!!!!!!!! So how about that comparison…some of you must have forgotten MJ has had plenty of 18 and 22 point games and didnt always score in the 30’s his whole career. Number 2……MJ was stripped on many occasions by other teams when bringing the ball up the floor I dont need anyone to look up the stats on that……I have it on video……..Number 3 your right Kobe was not givin the time that MJ was alloted to better himself sooner, who knows Kobe may have gotten 7 championships by now,remember coach Dale Harris with the Lakers during an interview…. someone asked him why not let Kobe play more his response?? ” He wanted to bring Kobe “along” ……………what if Doug Collins had said “I want to bring Jordan along??????

Number 4.. When asked who he thought was the closest thing to him in the NBA MJ himself said and I quote” KOBE BRYANT !!! Number 5.. Name one game where MJ scored 81 points against an opposing team?? “Im not saying that he couldnt”………what I am saying is that …KOBE DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kobe now has 5 titles and poised to get a 6th!!! Kobe got his first title sooner than MJ did a………,granted he had Shaq but the point is Kobe was a major force and contibutor to Laker championships!!!!

So when comparing Kobe to MJ there are some things that Kobe hasnt been givin credit for with out being “hated on” mostly because people dont want him to succeed MJ!!! Let me conclude with this………..if you take the time to be “objective’ and dont hate and if you look deep into what Kobe Bryant HAAAAAAASSSSS accomplished……….. you WILL FIND that in FACT he has some records…..that MJ has never achieved one being …..most points scored in a single game!!!!! And there is more just dig……. and give it up to MJ he was the best of his generation but Kobe is the best of his period. Two fantastic players one was allowed to grow at a faster pace…….consider it

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By: Survey Magnet http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-15528 Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:41:36 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-15528 We have an interesting debate about this topic going on at the following link:

http://www.surveymagnet.com/2010/07/what-does-kobe-bryant-have-to-do-eclipse-jordan-as-the-greatest/

Come join the discussion.

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By: RTG http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-15117 Fri, 23 Jul 2010 05:22:22 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-15117 In reply to Anklesnap.

@Anklesnap, yea this guy bruce blitz have some more amazing comparisons with MJ vs larry and wilt … no need to mentioned MJ won them both but with more fight then bryant.

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By: Anklesnap http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-15109 Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:15:07 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-15109 In reply to RTG.

@RTG, That is amazing, thanks for the stats, we may need a follow up post just to analyze those.

Cheers,

Doc Anklesnap

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By: RTG http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-15032 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 05:17:24 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-15032 – Bruce Blitz June 21, 2010 4:30pm CT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbuEjt-KIc&playnext_from=TL&videos=Gk9CDjr6pGQ (to watch it on youtube).

First of all folks, let me say that in my opinion this shouldn’t even be needed if you watched Michael Jordan’s career and have seen Kobe’s so far. Jordan was by far more consistently dominant and effective, that it’s really a true insult that this is needed. Thank the media and certain Kobe fans for this breakdown though, I hope you enjoy, this took a lot of time….

When you combine the playoffs and regular season, Michael Jordan played in 1,251 games, Kobe Bryant has played in 1,219. Let’s see if Kobe has even come close to accomplishing what Michael Jordan accomplished…..

You can’t deny facts folks, don’t even try….

Rookie of the Year
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No

In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals.

All-Rookie First Team
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No

Kobe Bryant was voted to the All-Star team his rookie year for some reason, even though he didn’t make the All-Rookie First Team…

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 12 or more assists
Michael Air Jordan: 32
Kobe Bryant: 19

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 10 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 87
Kobe Bean Bryant: 74

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 5 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 663
Kobe Bean Bryant: 593

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 3 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 179
Kobe Bryant: 261

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 2 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bryant: 142

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 0 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bryant: 57

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 15 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 5

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 12 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 66
Kobe Bryant: 29

Percentage of points scored on free throws:
Michael Air Jordan: 22.9%
Kobe Bryant: 25.1%

Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 46-61 (.368)
Michael Jordan shot his team to wins, Kobe Bryant shoots his team out of wins.

Seasons with at least 200 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 0

Seasons with at least 150 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 9
Kobe Bryant: 2

Seasons with at least 100 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 0

Seasons with at least 75 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 4
Kobe Bryant: 0

Defensive Player of the Year awards
Michael Jordan: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0

Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won defensive player of the year. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year. Think about the level of energy it takes to lead the league in scoring, and be the league’s best defender.

Regular season & Playoffs combined
40 point or higher games
MJ: 211
Kobe: 115

Regular season & Playoffs combined
30 point or higher games
MJ: 671
Kobe: 415

Career Player Efficiency Rating
Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.50

Olympic Gold Medals
Michael Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 1

Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.

All Star Game:
Jordan’s 40 points in 1988 is still the second most points in an All-Star Game behind Wilt Chamberlain’s 42. Jordan also recorded the only All-Star Game triple double in NBA history in 1997.

Scoring titles
Michael Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 2

Of course Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. He also led the league in total points his rookie season, but was third in scoring average. He is the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season.

Steals titles
Michael Jordan: 3
Kobe Bryant: 0

Jordan was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in both scoring and steals. He achieved this feat three times. The only other player to do it is Allen Iverson.

Jordan was the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. He performed this feat in back-to-back seasons, making him the only player to achieve it multiple times. Hakeem Olajuwon and Scottie Pippen later achieved 200 steals and 100 blocks in one season.

Jordan is the fourth player in NBA history to win a scoring title and an NBA championship in the same season, which he did all six times.

In 1996, Jordan became the second player in NBA history to sweep the MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star Game) after Willis Reed. He would sweep them again in 1998, making him the only player to do it multiple times.

Michael Jordan led the Chicago Bulls to the best regular season and combined regular season and postseason records in NBA history.

Michael Jordan scored in double digits in all but one game as a Chicago Bull out of 1,109 total games.

Michael Jordan game winning shot attempts was 33 out of 58, which is a 56.9% shooting percentage, while Kobe has attempted more game winners, and 82 games’s website has a lest strict criteria, according to the facts, Kobe is a 27% career shooter in game winning situations.

Michael Jordan has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest conversion rate in the clutch.

Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #80 in assists per game and #35 in assists.

Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).

Michael Jordan is #3 all time in steals per game, Kobe is #37 all time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is #2 all time in total steals, Kobe Bryant is #28 all time in total steals.

Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard. Kobe Bryant isn’t even in the top 10 all time blocks by a guard.

Kobe Bryant is not among the top 10 players all time in points per game.
Michael Jordan is #1 all time in points per game and #3 in points.

Seasons over 30 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 8
Kobe Bryant: 2

Seasons over 32 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1

In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.

Kobe Bryant also has:
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)

Regular season
Seasons under 50% shooting
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 9

Seasons under 48% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 5

Seasons over 50% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 6

Seasons over 52% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 4

Regular season
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 489
Kobe Bryant: 623

Regular season
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 458
Kobe Bryant: 599

Regular season
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 388
Kobe Bryant: 530

Regular season
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 296
Kobe Bryant: 452

Regular season
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 234
Kobe Bryant: 393

Regular season
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 158
Kobe Bryant: 317

Regular season
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 88
Kobe Bryant: 192

Regular season
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 41
Kobe Bryant: 97

Regular season
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 173
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 123

Regular season
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 556
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 393

Regular season
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 16
Kobe: 3

Regular season
Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 3
Kobe: 1

Regular season
Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting
MJ: 29
Kobe: 43
Yes, that’s right, almost half of Kobe’s 40 point games involved missing more shots than made ones.

Regular season
50 point games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48%)
Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 24 games

Regular season
50 point games with under 45% shooting
Michael Jordan: 0
Kobe Bryant: 3

NBA Playoffs
50 point or higher games
Kobe: 1
MJ: 8

NBA Playoffs
40 point or higher games
Kobe: 11
MJ: 38

NBA Playoffs
30 point or higher games
Kobe: 78
MJ: 109

NBA Playoff runs under 50% shooting:
Kobe: 13 (every year)
MJ: 8

NBA Playoff runs over 50% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0 (never)
Michael Jordan: 5

NBA Playoff runs under 48% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 12
Michael Jordan: 6

NBA Playoff runs over 48% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 1
Michael Jordan: 7

NBA Playoff runs under 46% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 9
Michael Jordan: 3

NBA Playoff runs under 44% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 6
Michael Jordan: 2

NBA Playoff runs over 30ppg:
Kobe Bryant: 4
Michael Jordan: 12

NBA Playoff runs over 32ppg:
Kobe Bryant: 2
Michael Jordan: 8

NBA Playoff runs over 34ppg:
Kobe Bryant: 0 (never)
Michael Jordan: 7

NBA Finals averages for their careers:
Michael Jordan 33.6ppg 6.0reb 5.9ast 48.0%fg 36.8%3pt ?
Kobe Bryant 25.3ppg 5.7reb 5.0ast 41.2%fg 31.3%3pt
Pau Gasol 17.3ppg 10.4reb 3.2ast 1.7blk 52.8%fg
Scottie Pippen 18.9ppg 8.3reb 5.9ast 40.9%fg 25.9%3pt
Shaq (as a Laker) 33.6ppg 14.1reb 3.0ast 2.4blk 60.2%fg
Kobe (with Shaq) 22.1ppg 5.2reb 4.6ast, 1.0blk 41.6%fg

Kobe has been out performed by teammates in 5 out of his 7 NBA Finals appearances, Michael Jordan was never out performed by a teammate. Michael Jordan never had a teammate average over 20.0ppg in any NBA Finals who shot a higher percentage than him, Kobe’s had a teammate do this 4 times (Gasol doesn’t get enough shot attempts or it would be 7 times).

Michael Jordan consistently raised his team’s level of play, while Kobe Bryant hinders his team’s level of play by consistently missing so many shots. Michael Jordan carried his team consistently, and on the flip side Kobe Bryant’s team carries him consistently.

Record as team leader
Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 300-224 (.573)

Postseason as team leader
Michael Air Jordan: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons
Kobe Bryant: Missed postseason 1 time in 6 seasons

NBA Finals Most Valuable Player awards
Michael Jordan: 6 in 6 tries
Kobe Bryant: 2 in 7 tries

As you can see, it would take Kobe 3 full careers to truly eclipse Michael Jordan. He’s so far off he has absolutely no chance to pass Michael Air Jordan whatsoever…

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By: Will http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-14359 Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:53:17 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-14359 Props to the Lakers and congrats to Kobe on his 5th ring

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By: Mike http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-14199 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 04:28:25 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-14199 great players don’t do stuff like this, ie – cheat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4geaMUOX3w
watching the replay, if you think about what Kobe is doing on this play, he clearly puts his leg and foot between Perkins legs, then kicks his foot and leg out to throw him off balance. Plays that are dirty/illegal, that end in injury should be looked at very seriously by the league. It isn’t very good basketball when half the players are injured due to dirty illegal plays.

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By: marc http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-13959 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:20:02 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-13959 Excuse the doublepost, but here’s more on Kobe’s clutch effectiveness:

http://www.slate.com/id/2255932

Excerpt:

While Bryant was fourth in the NBA in game-winners (14) over that period—behind LeBron James, Vince Carter, and Ray Allen—his .250 game-winning shooting percentage was below the league average of .298. That .250 mark was also the second-worst of anyone with at least six game-winning baskets, behind only the SI poll’s second-favorite clutch performer, Chauncey Billups.

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By: marc http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-13923 Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:06:59 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-13923 Awards are voted by “sheeps” perfectly fine.Agreed.
Stats are, without a doubt, objective. Just the interpretation of the material is subjective.
To determine a players worth his personal stats and his teams are the best indicators. They’re not flawed by opinion, yet.

Kobe played as much as jordan did in the nba.
This year Kobe passes Jordan in games played, missed shots, turnovers and it’ll be Some years till he’ll pass Jordan in the made shots etc. .

Kobe is a great 33% on game winning/clutch shots.
Kobe dominated scoring in the nba twice, Jordan did it 10 times.
Kobe wasn’t the best player on any of his championship runs, mj always was, besides the sonics finals series maybe.

Let Kobe’s finals-stats speak for itself:
(Kobe overall NBA finals stats from 6 series averaged)

23 PPG, 5 RPG, 5 APG, 41% FG (267/645).

I’ll save you MJ’s stats and ill just offer the notion that his worst playoff game was at 22 points.

Usually we are given the following statements:

Kobe is clutch, he’s the best scorer the NBA has ever seen, he gives it all any given day, he’s willing his team to win’s and hes at his best when it counts the most.

Now let’s use our given stats:

If Kobe’s so clutch ,why 33% made clutch shots?
If he can score whenever he wants, why doesnt he? (scoring titles?)
If he’s a better shooter, why does he miss that often?(0.45 fg%)
If he does it every night, why isn’t he having the best stats he’s capable of
making?
If he plays best, why are his playoff-stats are so much worse than his season stats?

I simply dont get from which angle’s those notions are coming from.

This years Kobe best playoff basketball ever, and with 29.4 ppg he barely scratches Mj’s 33.4 average….
Kobe will surpass Mj in absolute statistics at one point, i mean he’s got the potential to double MJ’s seasons in the NBA.
But any percental stats, besides free throw shooting and 3- point shooting,
Kobe will be nowhere any of the greats.
And as Kobe is beyond his prime now, his stats will slowly degrade, same as it’ll happen to any player.

And by the way, 1998 finals happened without Pippen.

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By: Thomas Fair http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-13914 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 16:18:21 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-13914 I will grant you this; Jordan was a great player and I am a Michael Jordan hater. I will acknowledge his skills and abilities. Jordan was “king” when he came into the league from famed North Carolina. He took many shots in his early days and was applauded by media and fans alike. Jordan had and still has an arrogant personality. The rules of the game were altered to capitalize on his star (Jordan Rules). He did not win a title without Scottie Pippen. Michael has had some of the same troubles (gambling and adultery) so he is no saint. Michael Jordan, a great defender? Many times Jordan was playing on the third best player on the team and had the ability to run the passing lanes after Pippen forced a bad pass, he was in backside position to block shots and pick up defensive rebounds because he was not defending the primary scorer. Truth be told Kobe Bryant was not the go to guy with the Lakers early in his career, so his numbers will not be as high. Didn’t Michael maneuver to have his coach fired that allowed Jackson to come to the Bulls? To deal with accolades, those are purely subjective and voted on by “sheep”: MVP Trophies, Kobe should get one from Dirk, Nash and Lebron. Finals MVP’s, at least two more should come his way since Shaq was on the bench when the game was being sealed at the FT line. Kobe has four titles now and is working on a fifth. If titles are the thing, forget the next Jordan and discuss the next Bill Russell (11rings). Lebron James plays bully ball, not basketball and Durrant will pass him in 2012. Those that like Jordan will never exect anyone in his category; they have drank the cool aid (Gatorade). Please continue.

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By: marc http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-13895 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 22:07:44 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-13895 Jordan did play with your superathletic players at the age of forty and he managed 25 points 6 rebounds and 5 assists till he got injured at the allstarbreak…
Kobe is playing a great playoff’s at 32.9 points per game, actually its his best playoff series ever.
And he’s awfully close to Jordan’s average play of 33.4 points per game, really Kobe at his very best is nearly an average Jordan. Not quite still anyway.

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By: mjkobefan http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-13892 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:31:07 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-13892 Does anybody realize that if the super athletic players of today played back when jordan played that they would have the same numbers as jordan. Jordan was the only player of his kind back then and now there are many .Back then players were drafted for specific reason shooter rebounder ect not for now you have to be athletic with these basketball skills .So if you say Jordsan is the best you must sayKobe is right there with him.Back then somebody like lamar odom would have majic numbers.

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By: Hank http://thehoopdoctors.com/2009/03/the-nextology-of-michael-jordan-part-viii-kobe-bryant/#comment-13486 Mon, 17 May 2010 03:53:52 +0000 http://thehoopdoctors.com/?p=4847#comment-13486 MJ is better but it’s not as wide a difference as people make it out to be.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2905114/kobe_vs_jordan_using_statistics_to.html?cat=14

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